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fridda, predvsem povprečje 175 je previsoko za 50 min teka. na takem pulzu se dalajo kratkotrajni intervali ne pa tako dolg tek. skušaj nekoliko znižati tempo teka in posledično tudi pulza. sicer pri takem pulzu res kuriš več kalorij, ki pa se ne porabljajo iz maščob, ker si previsoko v anaerobnem območju.
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hvala, vem kako je s tem.
glede na to, da ne tečem prvič je moj namen izboljšanje kondicije, ne pa izguba maščobe.
to da proti koncu treninga preidem v anaerobno fazno že drži, vendar v ta namen, da zmanjšam katabolizem uporabljam pred tekom BCAA.
tako, da najprej moram znižat svoj srčni utrip, pri pulzu 130 tega ne bom dosegla, saj imam ta pulz pri hitri hoji. tako zdaj moram kak mesec nabirat kilometre pol pa se bomo obremenjevali z pulzom.
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Andreja
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V povprečju velja, da na 1 pretečen km porabiš cca 50kcal. Torej, če si šele začela teči in je tvoja hitrost bolj nizka, je ta poraba morda kar realna. Če le imaš možnost oceni dolžino pretečene poti in potem izračunaj porabo še tukaj:
http://www.runnersworld.com/0,7118,,00.html
(Pod Nutrition & weight loss)
Jaz razdaljo merim in mi Polar izračuna praktično enako porabo kot ta kalkulator.

Pulz pa res imaš bistveno previsok in ga poskusi vseeno nadzorovati. Čeprav se ti morda ta trenutek ne zdi, se boš s tem hitro izčrpala in navdušenje nad tekom bo kar izginilo.
Kar se tiče padca pulza s časom je bila moja izkušnja takšna, da sem po pretečenih cca 300 km imela povprečni pulz pri isti hitrosti za okoli 10 nižji kot prej. Začela sem nekje na 154, sedaj sem v povprečju na 144. Sem pa bila že prej v dobri aerobni kondiciji, saj sem cca 5-7ur tedensko preživela na aerobiki/fitnesu.

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fridda
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hm...dobro, potem bom pa začela hitro hodit, da mi bo pulz 130 - 140. mogoče pa si bom tako nabrala kondicijo. ?

(po pomoti zbrisano ostalo)
Nazadnje urejeno 18. avg 2007 15:25; skupaj popravljeno 2 krat
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Andreja
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Koliko pa je to 'nekaj časa'? Za napredek potrebuješ tek vsaj 3x tedensko, če želiš vaditi najbolj optimalno (za najboljši napredek) pa 5x tedensko. Pri 5x tedensko boš najbrž že po enem mesecu imela nižji utrip, pri 3x tedensko pa bo najbrž trajalo kar nekaj mesecev.

Vsekakor pa je bolje, da začneš res tako, kot si napisala. Torej hitra hoja, ki jo boš v intervalih zamenjala s tekom. Ali pa poskusi res počasi teči, tako da boš imela pulz nižji. Najbrž se ti bo zdelo dolgočasno, ampak je pa to v resnici edina prava pot. Glede na tvojo starost bi pa rekla, da lahko dalj časa tečeš v območju tam nekje do 160 in ti na 130 res ni potrebno iti. Pri računanju v katerem območju tečeš pa uporabi za max. utrip 226-20=206 in si ga v Polarju nastavi sama. Ženske imamo namreč že v osnovi višji utrip, tako da bo ta formula bolj pravilna. Moj Polar tega ne upošteva (pa imam zadnji tekaški model), tako da najbrž tudi tvoj ne.

Če se misliš s tekom resneje ukvarjati pa vsekakor preberi nekaj literature na to temo. Na tej strani, katere link sem ti dala, najdeš npr. programe za začetnike in ti predlagam, da se kakšnega kar držiš. Veliko informacij boš našla tudi na strani Tekaškega foruma. Napredek bo bistveno hitrejši, če se boš držala osnovnih navodil, ki so v resnici za vse nas enaka. Če še ne delaš vaj za moč, je tudi to nujno ob teku, sicer te bodo kolena hitro izdala. Pa dobri tekaški copati, če jih seveda še nimaš (ti priporočam da greš na diagnostiko teka, da ugotovijo kateri so primerni zate). Potem bo sčasoma tek postal užitek in prešel v navado.

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Moja izkušnja, malo OT, ampak vseeno za ilustracijo ponovnega pridobivanja kondicije: po porodu (in še pol leta zraven) sem morala kar dva meseca tapkat v fitnesu trikrat tedensko v območju pod 145 utripov na minuto. Potem uteži itd., ampak zdelo se mi je prav noro, da toliko časa mečkam. Hitrosti so bile tudi bolj za hitro hojo, nič več. Šele potem sem bila pripravljena za resen tek. Pred nosečnostjo sem tekla med 10 in 12 km petkrat na teden, bila temeljito utečena, pa je potem šlo vse na nulo.
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fridda
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tisto o hitri hoji je bila fora.
moje idealno območje za nabiranje kondicije je 160 - 170 pulza. hm...mogoče pa sem vseeno nekaj prebrala na to temo. ?! sicer pa so me samo kalorije zanimale. hvala.
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Andreja
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Fora?

Glej, tukaj sva se dve potrudili, da sva ti odgovorili in sva za to porabili nekaj časa, in ti sedaj praviš, da je bila fora. V čem je potem smisel vpraševati karkoli?
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fridda
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hotela sem citirat pa sem po pomoti zbrisala ostali del v zgornjem postu. ok, ni pomembno.

no, fora je bila tisto, ko sem napisala, da bom z pulzom 140 (hitro hojo) nabirala kondicijo.
vprašanje o kalorijah je bilo resno, zato sem ga tudi zastavila, ker me je dejansko zanimalo kako je.
za vse odgovore sem se tudi vsem zahvalila.

glede nizkega/visokega pulza pa vem kako je (po treningu z utežmi imam, ko ga pač vključim,  kardio trening z nizkim pulzom), ampak ko grem samo tečt, želim prvo dobit kondicijo in potem intenzivneje delat na izgubljanju maščobe.
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rene
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fridda, preberi si članek od Marka Allena:
 
I came from a swimming background, which in the 70’s and 80’s when I competed was a sport that lived by the “No Pain, No Gain” motto. My coach would give us workouts that were designed to push us to our limit every single day. I would go home dead, sleep as much as I could, then come back the next day for another round of punishing interval sets.

It was all I knew. So, when I entered the sport of triathlon in the early 1980’s, my mentality was to go as hard as I could at some point in every single workout I did. And to gauge how fast that might have to be, I looked at how fast the best triathletes were running at the end of the short distance races. Guys like Dave Scott, Scott Tinley and Scott Molina were able to hold close to 5 minute miles for their 10ks after swimming and biking!

So that’s what I did. Every run, even the slow ones, for at least one mile, I would try to get close to 5 minute pace. And it worked…sort of. I had some good races the first year or two, but I also suffered from minor injuries and was always feeling one run away from being too burned out to want to continue with my training.

Then came the heart rate monitor. A man named Phil Maffetone, who had done a lot of research with the monitors, contacted me. He had me try one out according to a very specific protocol. Phil said that I was doing too much anaerobic training, too much speed work, too many high end/high heart rate sessions. I was forcing my body into a chemistry that only burns carbohydrates for fuel by elevating my heart rate so high each time I went out and ran.

So he told me to go to the track, strap on the heart rate monitor, and keep my heart rate below 155 beats per minute. Maffetone told me that below this number that my body would be able to take in enough oxygen to burn fat as the main source of fuel for my muscle to move. I was going to develop my aerobic/fat burning system. What I discovered was a shock.

To keep my heart rate below 155 beats/minute, I had to slow my pace down to an 8:15 mile. That’s three minutes/mile SLOWER than I had been trying to hit in every single workout I did! My body just couldn’t utilize fat for fuel.

So, for the next four months, I did exclusively aerobic training keeping my heart rate at or below my maximum aerobic heart rate, using the monitor every single workout. And at the end of that period, my pace at the same heart rate of 155 beats/minute had improved by over a minute. And after nearly a year of doing mostly aerobic training, which by the way was much more comfortable and less taxing than the anaerobic style that I was used to, my pace at 155 beats/minute had improved to a blistering 5:20 mile.

That means that I was now able to burn fat for fuel efficiently enough to hold a pace that a year before was redlining my effort at a maximum heart rate of about 190. I had become an aerobic machine! On top of the speed benefit at lower heart rates, I was no longer feeling like I was ready for an injury the next run I went on, and I was feeling fresh after my workouts instead of being totally wasted from them.

So let’s figure out what heart rate will give you this kind of benefit and improvement. There is a formula that will determine your Maximum Aerobic Heart Rate, which is the maximum heart rate you can go and still burn fat as the main source of energy in your muscles. It is the heart rate that will enable you to recover day to day from your training. It’s the maximum heart rate that will help you burn those last few pounds of fat. It is the heart that will build the size of your internal engine so that you have more power to give when you do want to maximize your heart rate in a race situation.

Here is the formula:

1. Take 180

2. Subtract your age

3. Take this number and correct it by the following:

-If you do not workout, subtract another 5 beats.

-If you workout only 1-2 days a week, only subtract 2 or 3 beats.

-If you workout 3-4 times a week keep the number where it is.

-If you workout 5-6 times a week keep the number where it is.

-If you workout 7 or more times a week and have done so for over a year, add 5 beats to the number.

-If you are over about 55 years old or younger than about 25 years old, add another 5 beats to whatever number you now have.

-If you are about 60 years old or older OR if you are about 20 years old or younger, add an additional 5 beats to the corrected number you now have.



You now have your maximum aerobic heart rate, which again is the maximum heart rate that you can workout at and still burn mostly fat for fuel. Now go out and do ALL of your cardiovascular training at or below this heart rate and see how your pace improves. After just a few weeks you should start to see a dramatic improvement in the speed you can go at these lower heart rates.

Over time, however, you will get the maximum benefit possible from doing just aerobic training. At that point, after several months of seeing your pace get faster at your maximum aerobic heart rate, you will begin to slow down. This is the sign that if you want to continue to improve on your speed, it is time to go back to the high end interval anaerobic training one or two days/week. So, you will have to go back to the “NO Pain, NO Gain” credo once again. But this time your body will be able to handle it. Keep at the intervals and you will see your pace improve once again for a period. But just like the aerobic training, there is a limit to the benefit you will receive from anaerobic/carbohydrate training. At that point, you will see your speed start to slow down again. And that is the signal that it is time to switch back to a strict diet of aerobic/fat burning training.

At the point of the year you are in right now, probably most of you are ready for this phase of speed work. Keep your interval sessions to around 15-30 minutes of hard high heart rate effort total. This means that if you are going to the track to do intervals do about 5k worth of speed during the entire workout. Less than that and the physiological effect is not as great. More than that and you just can’t maintain a high enough effort during the workout to maximize our benefit. You want to push your intervals, making each one a higher level of intensity and effort than the previous one. If you reach a point where you cannot maintain your form any longer, back off the effort or even call it a day. That is all your body has to give.

This is what I did to keep improving for nearly 15 years as a triathlete. It is also the training the Lance Armstrong’s coach put him on to recover from his cancer treatment when they saw that he could not handle the high end training anymore. And, although it was contrary to what most cyclists do to prepare for the grueling Tour de France, it was what enabled him to capture the title there for the first time in 1999.
 
 
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hvala rene.
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irmica
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Uuu, rene, dober prispevek! Sem si ga shranila, bo zelo koristen.
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cokolina
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Jaz sem postala enako lastnica F11 imam pa težavo.
 
Pulz v mirovanju naj bi bil 70-80.   
Jaz  imam pulz v mirovanju od 90-100 recimo?!?!.
 
Kaj se da iz tega sklepat? Je kaj narobe z tem?
 
 
Kolko ga imaste vi?
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Lumpa
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Pa si si merla pulz takoj ko si vstala? Vsaj ene 3x zaporedoma?
Razlogi so različni: lahko je slaba kondicija, možno so tudi kakšni zdarvstveni problemi.
Pa pozorna bodi tudi na to, koliko hitro ti pulz pade po prenehanju vadbe-prej ko pade, boljše je...
Jest imam v mirovanju okrog 50-55.
Spet se mi je na bolš poslabšal.
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rene
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ločiti je potrebno pulz v mirovanju in bazalni pulz. bazalni pulz je tisti, ki si ga merimo takoj zjutraj, ko se zbudimo in še predno vstanemo iz postelje. pulz v mirovanju je običajno nekoliko višji, merimo si ga čez dan, tako da se usedemo/uležemo in čimbolj umirimo. za relavanten podatek je potrebno, tako kot je omenila že lumpa, meriti pulz vsaj tri dni zapored in povprečje je naš pulz v mirovanju. pulz v mirovanju je lahko od 40-60-70 ... odvisno od posameznika, njegove starosti, treniranosti ... pomembno je, da ni prevelikih odstopanj v tem pulzu ... se pravi če imaš pulz v mirovanju običajno okrog 60 in se en dan zbudiš s pulzom 80 je to pokazatelj tvoje utrujenosti. moje mnenje je, da je 90-100 kar visok pulz za mirovanje in pa ni to nujno kaj slabega, lahko da se samo "vrtiš na visokih obratih" in ob pravilnem aerobnem treningu se ti bo počasi znižal.
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